Comments on: Facing Facts on Iraq http://jdallen.org/news/facing-facts-on-iraq/ "To Bigotry No Sanction, To Persecution No Assistance" Tue, 04 Nov 2008 09:36:13 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.6.3 By: CaedJar http://jdallen.org/news/facing-facts-on-iraq/#comment-1186 CaedJar Wed, 04 Oct 2006 18:50:51 +0000 http://jdallen.org/news/facing-facts-on-iraq/#comment-1186 Excellent, I'm glad to hear that its an editorial. I didn't mean to rant, although it would have been nice to hear a little bit on the perspective of their views on how Iraq handled things before the war began. I know to many this seems like a severe step backwards instead of forward, but others would say that while cleaning house, you have to make things worse before they can get better. Thats not meant to be a real defense on what is happening, just trying to see things from both perspectives here, as it seems neither side tends to lean towards the idea that things are not as black and white, cut and paste as anyone would like, and there doesn't seem to be any real clear action that can take us to where we all really want to be - essentially peace. I definately like the premise of the last couple of paragraphs here as they push for a real solution through the use of debate and the relevance of truth in the discussion. It is definately true that, although everyone is willing to trash talk the other side, most don't want to offer real solutions as they are either unsure of a clear solution, or they are afraid of the backlash they'll get and the blame will turn to fall on them. Excellent, I’m glad to hear that its an editorial. I didn’t mean to rant, although it would have been nice to hear a little bit on the perspective of their views on how Iraq handled things before the war began. I know to many this seems like a severe step backwards instead of forward, but others would say that while cleaning house, you have to make things worse before they can get better. Thats not meant to be a real defense on what is happening, just trying to see things from both perspectives here, as it seems neither side tends to lean towards the idea that things are not as black and white, cut and paste as anyone would like, and there doesn’t seem to be any real clear action that can take us to where we all really want to be - essentially peace. I definately like the premise of the last couple of paragraphs here as they push for a real solution through the use of debate and the relevance of truth in the discussion. It is definately true that, although everyone is willing to trash talk the other side, most don’t want to offer real solutions as they are either unsure of a clear solution, or they are afraid of the backlash they’ll get and the blame will turn to fall on them.

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By: James Allen http://jdallen.org/news/facing-facts-on-iraq/#comment-1185 James Allen Wed, 04 Oct 2006 16:55:43 +0000 http://jdallen.org/news/facing-facts-on-iraq/#comment-1185 it is an editorial it is an editorial

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By: CaedJar http://jdallen.org/news/facing-facts-on-iraq/#comment-1184 CaedJar Wed, 04 Oct 2006 16:51:05 +0000 http://jdallen.org/news/facing-facts-on-iraq/#comment-1184 Longer than it took the United States to defeat Hitler? Since when did we single handedly jump into World War II and defeat Hitler on our own? I thought there was more than just us involved in that fight. I kind of wish this article was more in depth as to how these factions worked before the war, though. Of course Saddam was in control, but its not like that means there was simple peace in that country before we invaded. Is it worse now than it was? This article says yes, and I'm not inclined to argue, but it shows no reason why its worse. It simply states that it is bad over there. How about a big, "DUH!" for the writer. Who here simply expected the already warring factions in this country, who were opposed to democracy before would just sit by and not attempt to gain control for themselves? What? No hands? It took the United States years of war, and infighting to break into a true democracy, yet we seem to think that because Iraq didn't break out in song and dance after we removed a tyrannical dictator, its been a total failure. The article does make a good point - most people in America have this strange notion that we were going in, removing Saddam, putting up a democratic government, and withdrawing; and they seem to think that this would be quick and painless. Unfortunately, most Americans seem to think that the news is infalible because they got it from their favorite source. Unfortunately, I haven't been able to find a good source of news in forever as most of it releases garbage that is written to present the writer's personal views, or even the news group's personal views. I haven't seen many articles lately that I couldn't place in the editorial category, because they're all pretty much, Iraq Sucks - It's All Bush's Fault, or Iraq Sucks - Let's Blame Someone Else. Longer than it took the United States to defeat Hitler? Since when did we single handedly jump into World War II and defeat Hitler on our own? I thought there was more than just us involved in that fight.
I kind of wish this article was more in depth as to how these factions worked before the war, though. Of course Saddam was in control, but its not like that means there was simple peace in that country before we invaded. Is it worse now than it was? This article says yes, and I’m not inclined to argue, but it shows no reason why its worse. It simply states that it is bad over there. How about a big, “DUH!” for the writer.
Who here simply expected the already warring factions in this country, who were opposed to democracy before would just sit by and not attempt to gain control for themselves? What? No hands?
It took the United States years of war, and infighting to break into a true democracy, yet we seem to think that because Iraq didn’t break out in song and dance after we removed a tyrannical dictator, its been a total failure.
The article does make a good point - most people in America have this strange notion that we were going in, removing Saddam, putting up a democratic government, and withdrawing; and they seem to think that this would be quick and painless. Unfortunately, most Americans seem to think that the news is infalible because they got it from their favorite source. Unfortunately, I haven’t been able to find a good source of news in forever as most of it releases garbage that is written to present the writer’s personal views, or even the news group’s personal views. I haven’t seen many articles lately that I couldn’t place in the editorial category, because they’re all pretty much, Iraq Sucks - It’s All Bush’s Fault, or Iraq Sucks - Let’s Blame Someone Else.

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By: Sara http://jdallen.org/news/facing-facts-on-iraq/#comment-1178 Sara Tue, 03 Oct 2006 13:34:13 +0000 http://jdallen.org/news/facing-facts-on-iraq/#comment-1178 Wow, we've really made a mess over there. Surely there isn't anyone who really still thinks bombing Iraq was a good idea. Wow, we’ve really made a mess over there. Surely there isn’t anyone who really still thinks bombing Iraq was a good idea.

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