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		<title>By: Sara</title>
		<link>http://jdallen.org/feminism/xxx-porn-xxx-sex-xxx/#comment-2680</link>
		<dc:creator>Sara</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Nov 2006 16:37:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It has everything to do with misogynist porn in the US. Both are fueled by the same attitude that women are commodities to be used as men see fit. I think enjoying violent or hateful porn ( which is the majority) is a sign of a lack of emotional health. 

The men who watch this sort of thing believe it is okay to buy a person. They buy women at strip clubs. They buy prostitutes. If they are rich enough, they fly to third world countries and buy 12 year old sex slaves. It is the same attitude towards women in any case. 

It is the same attitude which claims women shouldn't hold certain jobs, can't drive as well as men, aren't as smart, are more emotional (in a bad sense), are better at parenting and housework (and so should do all of that), shouldn't hold political office, etc. It's the same attitude which claims most rape victims are liars (bullshit) and that women being brutally raped is just part of war and to be expected. 

I'm fed up with it and won't say that it's okay and healthy to have those attitudes, because it's not. It's the same damn attitude that fuels the whole problem of misogyny and mistreatment of women. Violent and hateful porn is part of that problem.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It has everything to do with misogynist porn in the US. Both are fueled by the same attitude that women are commodities to be used as men see fit. I think enjoying violent or hateful porn ( which is the majority) is a sign of a lack of emotional health. </p>
<p>The men who watch this sort of thing believe it is okay to buy a person. They buy women at strip clubs. They buy prostitutes. If they are rich enough, they fly to third world countries and buy 12 year old sex slaves. It is the same attitude towards women in any case. </p>
<p>It is the same attitude which claims women shouldn&#8217;t hold certain jobs, can&#8217;t drive as well as men, aren&#8217;t as smart, are more emotional (in a bad sense), are better at parenting and housework (and so should do all of that), shouldn&#8217;t hold political office, etc. It&#8217;s the same attitude which claims most rape victims are liars (bullshit) and that women being brutally raped is just part of war and to be expected. </p>
<p>I&#8217;m fed up with it and won&#8217;t say that it&#8217;s okay and healthy to have those attitudes, because it&#8217;s not. It&#8217;s the same damn attitude that fuels the whole problem of misogyny and mistreatment of women. Violent and hateful porn is part of that problem.</p>
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		<title>By: Marty</title>
		<link>http://jdallen.org/feminism/xxx-porn-xxx-sex-xxx/#comment-1554</link>
		<dc:creator>Marty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Oct 2006 21:16:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think I misunderstood your meaning of "in charge".  I thought you were drawing a line between one person being in charge and the other.  Aparently you are talking about when someone is slapping, pulling hair, or making demands.  Yes, more prevalent that the man does this, but in most porn, I think, these do not happen (I'm no expert though).  I think most porn shows no one in charge, just a couple of animals, like the discovery channel.
I agree that there is a huge exploitation problem in the world, but it has little to do with porn in the U.S.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think I misunderstood your meaning of &#8220;in charge&#8221;.  I thought you were drawing a line between one person being in charge and the other.  Aparently you are talking about when someone is slapping, pulling hair, or making demands.  Yes, more prevalent that the man does this, but in most porn, I think, these do not happen (I&#8217;m no expert though).  I think most porn shows no one in charge, just a couple of animals, like the discovery channel.<br />
I agree that there is a huge exploitation problem in the world, but it has little to do with porn in the U.S.</p>
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		<title>By: Sara</title>
		<link>http://jdallen.org/feminism/xxx-porn-xxx-sex-xxx/#comment-1454</link>
		<dc:creator>Sara</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Oct 2006 01:52:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why does someone have to be in charge? Why does sex have to be about control and power? In my opinion, that is a deranged view of sex. This kind of pornography promotes misogyny as normal and "manly." I think it is unlikely that viewing large amounts of this material does not effect how people interact with others in real life. 

But porn is a much larger issue than just this one problem. Pornography and the sex industry as a whole involve abuse of women in many cases. In many places in the world, women and children are literally forced into sexual slavery. Women are also forced to work in the sex industry to pay family debts or to simply pay the bills because women do not have equal access to many of the relatively high-paying blue-collar jobs men can get. Rich men then use these women and children because they feel entitled to do so and do not care about these people and in fact do not truly see them as people at all.

 It is that same attitude that leads to the production and consumption of misogynistic porn. It is hateful and wrong and says something very poor about the character of men who participate, even as viewers. But misogyny is so deeply ingrained in our culture, that many people don't even recognize it when they see it. It's "normal" in the sense that it is common.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why does someone have to be in charge? Why does sex have to be about control and power? In my opinion, that is a deranged view of sex. This kind of pornography promotes misogyny as normal and &#8220;manly.&#8221; I think it is unlikely that viewing large amounts of this material does not effect how people interact with others in real life. </p>
<p>But porn is a much larger issue than just this one problem. Pornography and the sex industry as a whole involve abuse of women in many cases. In many places in the world, women and children are literally forced into sexual slavery. Women are also forced to work in the sex industry to pay family debts or to simply pay the bills because women do not have equal access to many of the relatively high-paying blue-collar jobs men can get. Rich men then use these women and children because they feel entitled to do so and do not care about these people and in fact do not truly see them as people at all.</p>
<p> It is that same attitude that leads to the production and consumption of misogynistic porn. It is hateful and wrong and says something very poor about the character of men who participate, even as viewers. But misogyny is so deeply ingrained in our culture, that many people don&#8217;t even recognize it when they see it. It&#8217;s &#8220;normal&#8221; in the sense that it is common.</p>
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		<title>By: Marty</title>
		<link>http://jdallen.org/feminism/xxx-porn-xxx-sex-xxx/#comment-1429</link>
		<dc:creator>Marty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Oct 2006 20:21:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If men were not represented in government, but the women in power always looked out for our rights, it would be OK.  The trouble of course is that this will never happen when one group is in power and the other not represented.  I will agree that porn should have women in charge at least in proportion to the audience.  In other words, if one fifth as many women watch as men, then they should be in charge at least one fifth as often in the movies.  If, as you say, the producers only make what sells, this should automatically balance out.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If men were not represented in government, but the women in power always looked out for our rights, it would be OK.  The trouble of course is that this will never happen when one group is in power and the other not represented.  I will agree that porn should have women in charge at least in proportion to the audience.  In other words, if one fifth as many women watch as men, then they should be in charge at least one fifth as often in the movies.  If, as you say, the producers only make what sells, this should automatically balance out.</p>
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		<title>By: Sara</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sara</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Oct 2006 20:50:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think it is mysogynistic that men are generally in charge in porn. If you will allow me a ridiculous comparison, imagine if women weren't allowed to participate in our government. Would that be okay as long as the men in the government looked out for women's rights? 

What worries me isn't the porn itself. It's what it says about our society which consumes it (male and female). Producers make what they can sell. Mysogyny sells.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think it is mysogynistic that men are generally in charge in porn. If you will allow me a ridiculous comparison, imagine if women weren&#8217;t allowed to participate in our government. Would that be okay as long as the men in the government looked out for women&#8217;s rights? </p>
<p>What worries me isn&#8217;t the porn itself. It&#8217;s what it says about our society which consumes it (male and female). Producers make what they can sell. Mysogyny sells.</p>
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		<title>By: Marty</title>
		<link>http://jdallen.org/feminism/xxx-porn-xxx-sex-xxx/#comment-1420</link>
		<dc:creator>Marty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Oct 2006 20:27:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree twincats.  I'm sure it's a vicarious thing, that's why it is included, and in fact that's why there are men in the show at all!

Sara, I see your point, male characters are usually in charge.  That's not quite misogynistic though, until the man does something degrading or abusive to the woman.  Again that is a large percentage but I don't think the majority of porn has it.  A whole lot of porn, as you say, is bad but does not need to be.  I think the producers are making wrong assumptions about what the audience wants.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree twincats.  I&#8217;m sure it&#8217;s a vicarious thing, that&#8217;s why it is included, and in fact that&#8217;s why there are men in the show at all!</p>
<p>Sara, I see your point, male characters are usually in charge.  That&#8217;s not quite misogynistic though, until the man does something degrading or abusive to the woman.  Again that is a large percentage but I don&#8217;t think the majority of porn has it.  A whole lot of porn, as you say, is bad but does not need to be.  I think the producers are making wrong assumptions about what the audience wants.</p>
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		<title>By: twincats</title>
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		<dc:creator>twincats</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Oct 2006 21:18:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Does anyone else have a problem with the proverbial and vaunted "money shot?" It's definitely not MY favorite part of the show, but I must conclude from its universal inclusion that it's important for men to have that proof of every scene's erotic value.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Does anyone else have a problem with the proverbial and vaunted &#8220;money shot?&#8221; It&#8217;s definitely not MY favorite part of the show, but I must conclude from its universal inclusion that it&#8217;s important for men to have that proof of every scene&#8217;s erotic value.</p>
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		<title>By: Sara</title>
		<link>http://jdallen.org/feminism/xxx-porn-xxx-sex-xxx/#comment-1397</link>
		<dc:creator>Sara</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Oct 2006 20:25:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In a lot of it, the men are presented as being in control. That's what makes it mysogynistic. I don't think porn is inherently bad. I just think most of it that is currently available is bad for various reasons, but it doesn't have to be.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In a lot of it, the men are presented as being in control. That&#8217;s what makes it mysogynistic. I don&#8217;t think porn is inherently bad. I just think most of it that is currently available is bad for various reasons, but it doesn&#8217;t have to be.</p>
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		<title>By: Marty</title>
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		<dc:creator>Marty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Oct 2006 20:12:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with twincats, both genders are ignored as people.  The fact that most of the audience is men just makes it seem misogynistic.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with twincats, both genders are ignored as people.  The fact that most of the audience is men just makes it seem misogynistic.</p>
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		<title>By: twincats</title>
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		<dc:creator>twincats</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Oct 2006 19:04:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To be quite honest, I don't think that the men really come off as people, either; they're mainly just jackhammering sex machines.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To be quite honest, I don&#8217;t think that the men really come off as people, either; they&#8217;re mainly just jackhammering sex machines.</p>
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